Pretty regularly, people come to us for help with an S corporation they’ve already set up. And that’s fine.
We love helping small businesses. And we love S corporations. No, seriously.
But one unfortunate situation we commonly encounter is where someone with a regular, full-time job sets up an S corporation for a side-line, part-time business.
Usually, setting up an S corporation for a sideline or part-time business doesn’t work.
This post talks about why you usually don’t want to set up an S corporation for a sideline or part-time business if you’ve got a regular, full-time job.
And then, because the subject matter is so similar, this post also talks about the idea of using an S corporation for a very small, part-time venture. Usually S corporations make little to no sense for these ventures, too.
S Corporations Cost More Money
To start your thinking, you need to know that an S corporation increases your accounting and tax preparation costs.
Without getting into all the nitty-gritty details, you probably want to think about the decision as a $2,500 annual expense at a minimum. And you might end up paying closer to $4,000. But let me break this down.
For starters, you’ll pay probably $1,500 to $2,000 a year to a tax accountant to prepare the annual 1120S corporation tax return.
In most states, you will pay another $500 to $1000 a year in payroll taxes that you’ll owe even in the case where the only person working in the business is the shareholder.
Finally, an S corporation will require you to do a bunch of additional fiddling with payroll processing: quarterly returns, annual wage statements, regular paychecks and tax deposits. You will probably want to pay a service to “do” this payroll processing. That choice adds another $500 to $1,000 to the costs.
And now you’re at $2,500 to $4,000 in annual costs just to have an S corporation.
You Generally Must Pay Some Wages
Here’s the next thing to keep in mind: In order to make your S corporation tax return look reasonable, you’re going to have to pay some substantial chunk of the business profit out to yourself as wages.
The average one-owner S corporation pays its shareholder-employee about $40,000, by the way. So I think most S corporation owners probably want to get close to that number or have a good reason for not being there.
Now what’s weird about this is that in your real job, the full-time one you spend more of your time at, you may already earn a solid wage. But that wage won’t matter.
The comparison you’ll want to make (and it’s the same one I’ll guess the IRS computers likely make) is how your shareholder-employee wages compare to the leftover profits you distribute to the shareholders.
I think, for example, that even if you in your regular job earn $200,000 a year, you need to pay the first big chunk of your sideline or part-time business profit as wages.
And another thing—and probably more relevant to the typical small, sideline S corporation: If you make only a modest amount of profit in the venture (keeping in line with the sideline nature of the whole enterprise), I think you probably need to pay out most of the profit as wages.
For example, if you have a part-time business that makes, say, $10,000 or $20,000 a year, logically to me, most of that profit would likely stem from your labor and so should probably be treated as wages.
The bottom line here, then: While what you want to do with an S corporation is shield profits from employment taxes? You’ll find that hard to do with a sideline operation.
Tip: You can use our free S Corporation Tax Savings Calculator to estimate S corporation tax savings for your specific situation.
Marginal Employment Tax Rate Matters
Something else you want to know.
In the case where someone already earning the FICA limit operates a sideline business? Yes, that side business profit if earned in an unincorporated business is subject to self-employment taxes of roughly 2.9% to 3.8%.
But if that person instead operates a sideline business as an S corporation? The employment taxes run roughly 10% to 12% on the first chunk of the profits the S corporation labels as wages. And this means, in effect, you’re often going backwards at first, in terms of payroll tax savings, with a sideline or part-time S corporation.
This weirdness occurs because the FICA, Medicare, FUTA and equivalent state payroll tax limits get reset or partially reset to zero for the new employer.
Two Examples Illustrate the Problem
Let me give you a couple of examples so you understand what I mean.
The limits for Federal unemployment tax (FUTA) and state employment tax (SUTA) reset for the new corporation. Accordingly, even if you’ve fully satisfied your unemployment tax obligations in your first, primary job, you may end up paying these taxes again for the next job. FUTA, by the way, can run 6% on the first $7,000 of wages. And SUTA varies by state, but can easily run $1000 or more for an employee.
And here’s another example: While an individual who’s already broken through the FICA limit on one job ($168,600 in 2024) doesn’t need to pay 6.2% Social Security taxes on the wages from a second job, the employer providing the second job does.
The bottom line here? You will find it more difficult than you would expect to minimize payroll taxes using a S corporation when you’re talking about a sideline business.
And more to the point: In many cases, you can’t justify the $2,500 to $4,000 of out-of-pocket costs or the hassle factor of using an S corporation for a sideline business.
What about Part-time Businesses?
Let me throw out one related comment here, too.
Now, again, please understand: We love S corporations. They often work great. Someday, if you have a successful full-time small business, you’ll probably want to operate that venture as an S corporation. Absolutely.
However, all the stuff that causes problems with the S corporation choice for a sideline business probably also causes problems for a part-time business.
You have this relatively high cost you pay just to “play the game.” Again, maybe $2,500 to $4,000 a year.
Furthermore, you probably have to first pay the “reasonable wages” component out of the profit, which means your business needs to be making something quite a bit in excess of that “reasonable wages” amount in order to even break even on the costs.
An Alternative to the S Corporation Option
Can I make one related suggestion?
If you want to limit your liability, you may want to use a limited liability company instead of an S corporation. We’ve got do-it-yourself LLC formation kits which most people can use to quickly set up an LLC themselves. And note that an LLC can be easily converted to an S corporation at the start of any tax year. Here’s the list of links:
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Juan Alvarez says
Hi Steve, when your S clients don’t take reasonable compensation do you add more?
I usually increase the officer salary per the 1120s and record the income to schedule C of the 1040 with no expenses of course.
Just curious to what others do.
Steve says
Hi Juan, great question and issue…
So here’s my take… I have the reasonable compensation talk with a client before we make the 2553 election. And I warn people whenever I see a number that looks imprudently low. But often I see the numbers after the year ends and it’s too late to do anything. So at long as the number isn’t absurd, obviously absurd, I don’t try to finesse the situation. (I might make sure the person does health insurance correctly… and strongly suggest something like a SEP…)
Two other comments related to all this:
(1) I have had a circumstance where a new S corp owner comes to me the first year or whatever and says something like this, “Hey Steve, gee, I know we were supposed to do reasonable compensation… but we took $200K of distributions in first part of year and then got to end of year and didn’t have any money to do payroll. Sorry, I know this was wrong. I guess we’ll need to get better next year…” My reaction to this has been (and I try to be nice), “Well, that’s good I guess… but you know what? I don’t think we can do your return. Sorry. But we do a lot of S corporation returns and I’d never want to do something that makes IRS think we’re helping people break the law… That would not be fair to all our other S corporation clients.”
(2) I really try to push people to the average salary shown in IRS and Bureau of Labor Statistics (and you can still save lots of money this way)… and if someone makes a ton, I tell them to pay $100K or the FICA max, reminding them that pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered and we want to be pigs and not hogs.
Juan Alvarez says
Thanks Steve for your detailed answer.
Wolske cpa says
Great answer steve
Sincerely
Bill Wolske cpa
41st year doing taxes
Johnny says
I just found myself in this exact situation. I have a full time job that maxes out the FICA limits. I have been working as a sole prop on the side for a year years only pulling in 20k or less year. In 2015, though, I did great. Bringing in much more. A friend, business owner, recommended I should become a corporation and sent me to his CPA who recommended the same. Now I have to lose all of the employer taxes on all my “wages” from my s corp. Plus an additional 1.5% California s corp tax. If I had done nothing, it sounds like I would have only paid the 3% medicare on ALL my earnings… (and my normal income tax, of course).. I suppose after my taxes are done I may try to convert back to a sole prop. Any advice would be appreciated, thanks!
Steve says
You may just want to dissolve your s corp…you can then restart again as an LLC and accept the default classification of disregarded entity.
Joni says
Hi Steve.
My Dad and I owned a S Corp (60%\ 40%) that provided accounting and income tax preparation. I was very spoiled, my Dad took care of all of the bookkeeping for the business. My Dad passed away a couple of weeks ago, so I’m trying to get up to speed on all that is required.
Now that I am 100% owner of this S Corp, I have a question. My Dad paid himself a wage every month, as he worked every month (he did taxes during tax season and quarterly for other businesses as well as bookkeeping year round) I only prepare taxes during tax season, so it’s more of a seasonal business now. Do I only pay myself a wage during the 3 months I work, or should I take the total annual salary and divide it by 12 months?
Thank you so much for all of the information that you share.
Steve says
I think you pay some reasonable wage for your actual work. That might mean more modest wage given the seasonality.
BTW, very sorry about your dad. 🙁
TJ says
Hi, Steve – I am 100% owner of my S-Corp but I am likely not going to turn a profit in year one, as expected. I will not be taking any distribution, but this might limit my “reasonable compensation” to a very small figure. Is that allowable?
Steve says
Sure. See here: https://evergreensmallbusiness.com/setting-s-corporation-shareholder-employee-wages-to-zero/