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FIRECalc Retirement Plan B Calculations

May 23, 2017 By Stephen Nelson CPA

Picture of Businessman pointing to a growth chart showing business successYesterday’s blog post talked about why you and I both need to have a retirement plan b.

To recap, that suggestion flows from a simple reality—that reality being that you and I don’t really know how much we’ll end up with for retirement—even if we know exactly how long we’ll save, exactly how much we’ll save, and exactly where we’ll save.

This blog post continues the discussion, explaining how to use the popular FIRECalc tool to make “retirement plan b” Calculations.

Note: Over the next couple of days, follow-up blog posts will explain in detail how to use cFIREsim and Portfolio Visualizer to make the same calculations.

But let’s get down to the details.

Describing Your Retirement Savings Program

FIRECalc, as you probably know if you’re reading this, is a wonderful online calculator you can use to plan your retirement—and especially how to safely draw down your retirement savings.

You can also use FIRECalc to estimate likely future values for your retirement savings at the start of your retirement. But you need to, well, sort of trick the program.

Your first step in using FIRECalc for retirement plan b calculations is describing your savings program. To do this, follow these steps:

    1. Open the FIRECalc home page using this link firecalc.com. Figure 1 shows this web page (which doesn’t render well, frankly). You can click the image open a larger copy of the screen shot.

      Picture of FIRECalc home page
      Figure 1
    2. Enter the value 0 into the Start Here box’s Spending text box.
    3. Enter your current savings into the Start Here box’s Portfolio text box. (This amount might also be zero, too.)
    4. Enter the number of years you’ll save money for retirement into the Start Here box’s Years text box. (For example, if you’ll save money for 35 years, enter the value 35.)
    5. Click the Not Retired tab near the top of the FIRECalc window to display the optional settings used for modeling a future retirement.
    6. Enter the year you’ll retire into the What Year Will You Retire box. (This year should probably be the current year plus the value you entered in step 4.) Figure 2 shows this webpage. Again note that you can click the image open a larger copy of the image.

      Picture of the Not Retired inputs for the FIRECalc retirement plan b calculations
      Figure 2
    7. Enter the amount you’ll annually save into the How Much Will You Add To Your Portfolio Until Then, Per Year box. (For example, if you’ll save $5,500 a year–the maximum amount allowed using a traditional IRA–enter 5500.)
    8. Click Submit to have FIRECalc model your savings.

    Reviewing Expected Retirement Plan Outcomes

    After you click Submit, FIRECalc calculates the historical results your plan would have produced had you run the plan during any period after 1872.

    The FIRECalc website displays the calculations results in a new FIRECalc Results page that gives you the low, high, and median result using the following language (and here I quote):

    Here is how your portfolio would have fared in each of the 111 cycles. The lowest and highest portfolio balance at the end of your retirement was $0 to $1,032,376, with an average at the end of $608,045 (Note: this is looking at all the possible periods; values are in terms of the dollars as of the beginning of the retirement period for each cycle.)

    The above language describes the outcome when someone runs a 35 year retirement savings program saving $5500 annually and starting with no savings.

    And some notes: First, the worst case scenario isn’t actually zero. The FIRECalc website gives zero as the low point because that’s the starting balance in the scenario modeled.

    Second, note that the FIRECalc website does give you the average (median) outcome—which is $608,045 with the inputs I provided. But the point of this whole “retirement plan b” discussion is that value would probably not be what you end up with. Half the time people will end up with less than that value. Half the time, more.

    A third comment: FIRECalc says the very best case scenario equals $1,032,376, which hints at the great variability you may experience. (This might be your “retirement plan c” scenario, something I’ll briefly talk about on Friday.)

    The FIRECalc Results page also produces a line chart that graphically displays the outcomes someone running the modeled retirement plan in the past would have encountered. Figure 3 shows this image which graphically depicts retirement plan outcomes for the scenario described in the earlier paragraphs. Again, and sorry, the line chart doesn’t render well on a blog page, but you can click the image to get a bigger copy of it.

    Picture of FIRECalc retirement plan b line chart
    Figure 3

    By eyeballing the chart—and this will be easier on your monitor using the actual FIRECalc web pages—you can see that the worst case outcome in the example case described here is slightly over $200,000 in retirement savings at the start of retirement. Further, a large number of outcomes fall under $412,952.

    And there you have it: FIRECalc’s assessment as to the range of outcomes possible if the future looks like the past.

    Your “retirement plan b”, given the numbers discussed in this blog post, might go something like this:

     “While I’m counting on and hoping for a $600,000-ish balance in the retirement savings account when I start retirement, I need to be prepared on some level for the outcome where I end up with maybe $400,000-ish since a large number of outcomes fall even lower than that.”

    Tweaking Your Retirement Portfolio Asset Allocation

    The outcomes provided in the preceding paragraphs assume your retirement savings allocate 75% of your funds to equities and 25% to bonds delivering the long-term interest rate. But you can tweak these percentages, and should, if you’re using some different asset allocation.

    An observation: If you tweak the percentage allocated to equities, you’ll notice the range from worst case outcome to best case outcome shrinks and grows.

    To maybe state the obvious, you absolutely do forecast higher future value balances if you allocate a larger percentage of your portfolio to equities. But you also end up with a larger range of outcomes. The higher the equities allocation, therefore, the more important your retirement plan b becomes.

    You can tweak FIRECalc’s asset allocation formula using the Your Portfolio webpage. You get to this website by clicking on the Your Portfolio tab at the top of the FIRECalc webpage. To reset the allocation to equities, replace the value in the Percentage Of Your Portfolio That Is In Equities box.

    Tip: Lots of people (me included) often don’t do a good job of internalizing the risk embedded in their portfolios. But you may find your FIRECalc retirement plan b calculations very useful for sizing up the risks of your asset allocation, too.

    Other Resources about Retirement Plan B Calculations

    Each day this week at the Evergreen Small Business blog, I’m discussing the idea that you probably want a “plan b” for your retirement. Those other posts are probably going to be interesting to you if you’ve just finished reading this.

    You might also find these other related blog posts useful:

    $10,000,000 Individual Retirement Accounts and 401(k)s Really Possible?

    Absurdly Good Retirement Outcomes: What Small Business Owners Can Learn From Public Employee Plans

    Why You Don’t Need to Worry About Income Taxes During Retirement

    Picture of Thirteen Word Retirement Plan bookFinally, on the off chance you need a retirement plan “a”, go ahead and grab a free copy of my “Thirteen Word Retirement Plan” available here.

     

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